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Joker was an interesting movie, and will likely win multiple Oscars in a few weeks. but it's not really an origin story for "The Joker" Batman villain. It's a film that explores mental illness, and the depth of despair some people who are mentally ill might reach. But if you stripped away the DC license, what really would you have to change? Maybe a few scenes, and a couple of names? Stripped of the DC license, you could make a 99.99% identical film.
Plus, and this should be obvious: Batman's Joker is incredibly intelligent and clever. He would have to be in order to match wits with Batman. The Joker's nickname as the "Clown Prince of Crime" is deserved. He is a legit supervillain, capable of planning the most intricate (yet oddly seemingly spontaneous) crimes and traps for Batman to fall for. Arthur Fleck though? He is neither intelligent nor clever. If he is the worst villain this version of Gotham City ever comes across, there would be no need at all for Bruce Wayne to ever turn into Batman. Seriously, there is NOTHING about this character that makes you think he represents ANY serious threat to Batman. He's just a mentally ill guy who is one step above being homeless. Arthur Fleck's Joker is basically the clown that Rorshach talks about in Watchmen... “Heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says, "But doctor...I am Pagliacci.” The only real way to fit Arthur Fleck into actual Batman continuity is if he isn't the "real" Joker, but only a prototype. That is, the villain we all know as the Joker, comes later, and is perhaps inspired by Fleck, but is not Fleck himself...This is the logical position, I think, given that the end of the movie implies there is a MASSIVE age difference between Arthur Fleck's Joker and Bruce Wayne as well. Arthur Fleck's Joker thinks of Thomas Wayne as the enemy in his mind, not 10 year old Bruce... PLUS...I mean...let's be completely honest here. There is no chance in hell that Arthur Fleck's Joker is EVER gonna get to bone Harley Quinn. Harley wouldn't give his pathetic clown face the time of day. She's crazy, but she ain't desperate...
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